[Jack Garcia]

Are you certain those are ticked tricolors?

In my opinion, I'm unsure what the first one is, as his coat is in very poor condition. In any tricolor, the coat must lie close to the body and be sleek so that you can clearly see the difference in color.

The other mouse seems to be a black and beige tricolor (a/a ce/ce Spl/* s/s or a/a ce/c Spl/* s/s).

Ticked tricolors cannot have black spots of any kind (black spots mean the mouse is a/a). This is what a ticked tri looks like:

They're cinnamon tricolors entered into the Summer 2009 ECMA show by Jenny Erwin (I took the photo in our hotel room).

edit: the one farthest right is the best example. You can see how the areas of color are different, but both ticked.

 

[Jack Garcia]

Blue does not revert to black in the case of A/a or A/A because the mouse wouldn't be blue in the first place--it would be blue agouti. Blue also does not revert to black because blue is not on the c-locus*. The mouse you posted and labeled as such is clearly not blue or blue agouti, at any rate. Ask any respectable mouse breeder or anyone familiar with coat and color genetics and they will tell you the same thing I am telling you. You don't have to take my word for it. I encourage you to ask any breeder of tricolors. I can privately give you the email addresses of four different experienced tricolor breeders (3 American, 1 European) if you want them.

*Beige is on the c-locus and does revert to black, and that is what you have posted a photo of.

The picture I posted is what ticked tricolors actually look like.

I'm not trying to get on your goat (you must distinguish between the personal and the fact-based; correcting someone's erroneous genetics information is not a personal attack). I try to clear up wrong information whenever I see it being disseminated, and it so happens that you post incorrect genetics/variety information quite a lot unfortunately.

Please excuse any typing errors. I have a hurt thumb.

 

[Jack Garcia]

In a way, it's unfortunate that more people here don't have experience with tricolors. It would be good to have more people who were really familiar with how coat and color genetics works. That way it wouldn't look like a personal back-and-forth between me and you--because the issue is really not about the personalities, but rather about relaying complete and accurate information whenever possible. At the end of the day, I am content to let the facts (and very importantly, the photographs) speak for themselves.

 

[Jack Garcia]

Then why post pictures as examples of varieties at all?

 

[Jack Garcia]

Thanks Loganberry. I appreciate it.

Moustress, nobody is pushing you around. Relax. A long time ago a priest friend of mine told me, "nobody ever died from taking too many deep breaths." It's true.

 

[Jack Garcia]

Do you mean the eyeballs? They're black.

Perhaps your monitor resolution is slightly different than mine or moustress'.

At any rate, the issue is not as to whether not moustress has the "right" to post her photos here. Of course she can post pictures. But this isn't about her or me or anybody else. It's about mice. What no one has the right to do is post pictures of mis-labeled mice and expect them not to be corrected or at the very least, challenged. I will correct any variety/genetics errors I see, regardless of who posts them. It just so happens that most are posted by this one person and most readers (like you), due to geographical reasons, have no experience with Splashed or tricolors so, I am the only person who can correct these particular errors. If I were to post mis-labeled mice or were to be wrong on genetics information, I expect (and hope) to be corrected. That's what the Internet is about: learning and sharing information. But that information has to be accurate.

As much as I have tried to keep it from becoming so, it seems this post is becoming too personal so I will no longer reply to personal points. We will have to agree to disagree. The record and photos speak for themselves. I will still respond to variety/genetics information as needed. Be well!

edit: Willow, we posted at the same time!