Breeding to extreme black can darken the points but I found myself that breeding to good pointed (extreme) siamese was the best way to improve my stock.
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That was a bit rude, HtrKid.
Siameece gave you a perfect answer. That is the best way to improve Siamese.
Siameece gave you a perfect answer. That is the best way to improve Siamese.
You have decades or a century of work ahead of you if you decide to use only pet store mice, since you've in effect decided to start from "step zero" while others are way ahead of you, so you may not get very far.
If you really want to get the points as rich and deep as possible, you have to decide to invest in mice from a breeder and work from there so you're not always climbing uphill, or worse, going backwards. I know this isn't the easiest answer if you don't want to spend a lot of money, but it's unfortunately the only answer.
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That's a Siamese I bred accidentally (extreme black X extreme black), so the points could be a bit darker if they were selected for, but it gives you an idea of what's possible.
(edited because I can't seem to get the photo tags to work right today!)
If you really want to get the points as rich and deep as possible, you have to decide to invest in mice from a breeder and work from there so you're not always climbing uphill, or worse, going backwards. I know this isn't the easiest answer if you don't want to spend a lot of money, but it's unfortunately the only answer.
That's a Siamese I bred accidentally (extreme black X extreme black), so the points could be a bit darker if they were selected for, but it gives you an idea of what's possible.
(edited because I can't seem to get the photo tags to work right today!)
It's a Siamese, as I said in the actual post.
sorry i was reading and thinking differently at the same time...
Just keep plodding on, breeding only the darkest Siamese mice together, and you'll see some improvement every generation, even it's small. You won't be able to improve to show type without bringing in show mice, but you can steadily improve colour.
Don't cull as pinkies unless the litter is particularly large (over 10) - if you cull pinkies you may be culling your darkest mice without realising. Then, when the fur comes through (if you want to cull) you can take out the palest ones. The best Siamese are usually completely brown as furry babies, so discard any creamy ones, then discard any that are creamy across the shoulders and brown on the head and bum. As adults, only breed the darkest few. Breeding paler mice will set your plans back. If you need to use another colour, only use self blacks. Avoid using any other colour, it will only dilute your Siamese. Also avoid tans, that will make a white belly on a Siamese so you won't be able to see the shadings on the belly and marked mice as these will bring white tail tips and toes to your mice. If you have no self blacks a self blue would be the least damaging choice - but you will get blue point Siamese popping out.
Keep taking pictures in natural light of every generation at different ages to refer back to, this will last longer than your memory
Hope this helps you and good luck. I just love smeezies
Sarah xxx
Don't cull as pinkies unless the litter is particularly large (over 10) - if you cull pinkies you may be culling your darkest mice without realising. Then, when the fur comes through (if you want to cull) you can take out the palest ones. The best Siamese are usually completely brown as furry babies, so discard any creamy ones, then discard any that are creamy across the shoulders and brown on the head and bum. As adults, only breed the darkest few. Breeding paler mice will set your plans back. If you need to use another colour, only use self blacks. Avoid using any other colour, it will only dilute your Siamese. Also avoid tans, that will make a white belly on a Siamese so you won't be able to see the shadings on the belly and marked mice as these will bring white tail tips and toes to your mice. If you have no self blacks a self blue would be the least damaging choice - but you will get blue point Siamese popping out.
Keep taking pictures in natural light of every generation at different ages to refer back to, this will last longer than your memory
Hope this helps you and good luck. I just love smeezies
Sarah xxx
Thank you SarahY!! That was the exact kind of answer i was looking for.
That was the exact kind of answer i was looking for.
You're welcome! Don't forget to show us pictures
Sarah xxx
Sarah xxx
If i had the money to dish out i would have some great siamese. But a teenager doesnt usually have 400$ laying around.
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