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Not been around in a while - had little internet access.

I have a few beige point siamese that have white undersides.

My question is - is this allowed?

Julie
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SarahY
Not for showing purposes, the belly of a Siamese should match the top. It'll breed out though, it's only the tan gene doing that.

Sarah xxx
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Ok. Thats a shame because she is a pretty little thing with a white tummy lol.
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only seal point and blue point allowed as well.
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Interestong to see you can only show two colours - do the colours refer to the points or to the base colour of the coat?

She has a beigy white under coat with a whit tummy and chocolately points fading in.

What would that siamese be called?

Julie
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The coat is a beige colour,the points need to be as dark as possible including ears and feet.If the points are not dark on an adult it won't get placed anywhere.A couple of shows put on an unstandardised class for potential new varieties.This colour is correct for points and body
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I'll post a pic of an actual mouse tomorrow unless some one else has one.I've fed them and shut the shed up til tomorrow.
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LimaMikeSquared said:
Interestong to see you can only show two colours - do the colours refer to the points or to the base colour of the coat?

She has a beigy white under coat with a whit tummy and chocolately points fading in.

What would that siamese be called?

Julie
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Have you got a picture?
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Finally got the internet properly sorted and got some good photographs.










Julie
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it's very pretty but way off of a standardised siamese.Not that that matters if you are breeding for pet/hobby
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It looks like you would maybe need to have an extreme black outcross in their lines to get these amazing points Sarah. Is that correct?
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really you would be better off getting a trio of real siamese ,it's not just the points but also the body colour that is way off.Again though it just depends what you want them for.
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I was just curious because I had a surprise Siamese pop up in my pet store line and wondered how or if it could be improved upon. I wish I could find any good breeder with any good stock anywhere near me! Near being a 2 hour drive or less at the moment. I guess the upside of that would be I would be the only one if I ever do get a good stock! I've contacted a few others that had been known to breed in Ohio but so far none are actively breeding at the moment. :cry:
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LimaMikeSquared said:
Interestong to see you can only show two colours - do the colours refer to the points or to the base colour of the coat?

She has a beigy white under coat with a whit tummy and chocolately points fading in.

What would that siamese be called?

Julie
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Outside the UK it's called Colourpoint Beige (Black eyed Siamese) and like Himilayan it has only one copy of the himilayan allelle. A bit trickier to get the points darker, but I got good result by breeding them to dark pointed Sealpoints and Extreme Blacks.
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SiamMeece said:
LimaMikeSquared said:
Interestong to see you can only show two colours - do the colours refer to the points or to the base colour of the coat?

She has a beigy white under coat with a whit tummy and chocolately points fading in.

What would that siamese be called?

Julie
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A siamese is a/a ch/ch (of course ae/ae works well too in all my examples)

Colour Point Beige is a/a/ ce/ch

A siamese with a white belly is no CPB is is a siamese fox, it is at*.
CPB with white bellies exist too, but they are at/* ce/ch.

The colour of the points is independent from the white belly, it is just not a standard siamese, just as Srah explained. The white belly in animals with c-dilutions is always caused by at (or very rare from Aw).
Chilloutarea Mousery - Tricolor , Splashed , Merle , Recessive Red


Regards, Roland
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I like her - she is really nice natured. Breedgin for hobby for a little while as I have just gotten breeding them. Want to have a play around with some colours.

So the points have to cover more area and be darker, but merging into the base coat.

Going to the Swindon show so hopefully I can get some siamese and perhaps himalyans there :D

Julie
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This mouse was too light in this picture, but it gives you an idea.


Notice that this mouse has pink toes -- this is not allowed!

Her half sisters are darker but I don't have a picture of them at the moment.
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