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New Show - WORLD WIDE. Marked Varieties Only.

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1.Mice will be exhibited as a photograph, on a piece of plain white paper. And a date shall be clearly marked on the piece of paper.
2.Four Photgraphs will be taken of each mouse, One Under, one dorsal, and one left and one right side.
3. A Judge will be appointed from the United Kingdom,and the United States.
4. Appointed judges will be judges in their own organisations,and be conversant with foreign standards.
5. Should judges be unable to agree, a reserve judge shall be appointed. His/Her decision shall be final.
6. An exhibitor may only exhibit the same mouse a maximum of three times ever.
7.Classes will be u/8, adult.
8. Schedule. --------(under research).

Further details to Follow. COMMENTS PLEASE.
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WNTMousery said:
Isn't a white background a poor choice considering the mice will have white markings?

Also, how do you suggest getting a good photo of the underside?

The East Coast Mouse Association has had quite a few virtual shows in the past. We allowed all types of mice and changed our scoring to reflect the fact that you cannot judge color via the computer.The judging was based mostly on type.
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Hi- No I didnt miss it, sorry I didnt reply in order, busy on the comp writing electrical installation certificates. The only other alternative is black, because there is no other background that is a standard colour all over the world. Hope this makes sense, and in any case you would be perhaps surprised how white marked mice actually are when compared to white paper.
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I'll be back. said:
1.Mice will be exhibited as a photograph, on a piece of plain white paper. And a date shall be clearly marked on the piece of paper.
2.Four Photgraphs will be taken of each mouse, One Under, one dorsal, and one left and one right side.
3. A Judge will be appointed from the United Kingdom,and the United States.
4. Appointed judges will be judges in their own organisations,and be conversant with foreign standards.
5. Should judges be unable to agree, a reserve judge shall be appointed. His/Her decision shall be final.
6. An exhibitor may only exhibit the same mouse a maximum of three times ever.
7.Classes will be u/8, adult.
8. Schedule. --------(under research).

Further details to Follow. COMMENTS PLEASE.
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Good idea and good rules. Can we start doing photos?

Best regards, Roland
Chilloutarea Mousery - Tricolor , Splashed , Merle , Recessive Red
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Oh dear the bar has been set people. We know what we are up against from this guy!.
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Was it ever stated which standards would be used? Tricolor, for example, is not standardized outside the US and other varieties such as Rumpwhite are not standardized inside the US. How will that work?
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When is judging? Can you wait for my babies to grow up? lol
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Tricolor, for example, is not standardized outside the US
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Actually Tricolour is standardised outside the US. Taken from the NMC standards: "A Tricolour mouse is to have three contrasting patches of colour on the back and sides. Patches of colour on the undersides and belly of the mouse to be adjudged an added attraction. Brindling of the patches to be judged a fault."

other varieties such as Rumpwhite are not standardized inside the US. How will that work?
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If you don't have a variety, you can't enter it in the show. It's pretty simple. I don't have rumpwhites either, but I'm not grumbling that I don't have them so can't enter them.

WNT Mousery, I'm really getting the feeling from your posts that you are trying to be difficult, maybe even that this idea has offended you in some way. Do you have any suggestions to make that would actually be helpful? This is obviously just in the very first idea stage and I'm sure judges from across the world who want to be involved will sort the standards etc out. At this stage there's no need for this ridiculous nitpicking.

As Seawatch rightly said, this is supposed to be fun.

Sarah.
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I didn't see Jenny as nitpicking. She's one of two judges (the other being Kristin Blackwelder, who is no longer in the fancy) in the entire world who has judged virtual shows.

You're right that it should be fun, but it also has to be consistent.

Let's all get along! :)
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Nitpicking? Why would this offend me? I hope it is some sort of cultural barrier, although I don't believe it is, as your accusations are quite rude and unfounded. Do you have a personal issue with me? Feel free to message me if you'd like to discuss anything in a more appropriate manner.

I asked a valid question about which standards would be used and how that would work because that was not addressed. The Tricolor and Rumpwhite were just examples (Tricolor being a poor example, nonetheless).

I've run numerous virtual shows in the past so I'm well aware of what works and what doesn't. It probably would have been wise to set out the rules and guidelines, as well as dates, judges, etc. all before announcing to the public. Of course their will be questions when the details aren't spelled out. The ECMA was the first club in the world to offer a virtual mouse show and I created the entire system by trial and error so I was hoping to offer assistance, after some questions were answered.

Maybe I missed something, but how can asking which standards would be used possibly be considered nitpicking?
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Regarding a "cultural barrier" it seems the Americans are taking this far more seriously than the British. I dont like to generalize but thats how it appears. This started out as a bit of fun, not a serious attempt to put on a virtual show. I think it should continue in the spirit in which it began, and not get bogged down in petty beaurocracy. I for one will soon lose interest in this idea if it produces nothing more than an endless debate about (pointless) rules and regulations. The more relaxed and informal this idea stays the better for everyone. If you wish to take part on this basis great, if not dont its that simple.
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WNTMousery said:
Nitpicking? Why would this offend me? I hope it is some sort of cultural barrier, although I don't believe it is, as your accusations are quite rude and unfounded. Do you have a personal issue with me? Feel free to message me if you'd like to discuss anything in a more appropriate manner.

I asked a valid question about which standards would be used and how that would work because that was not addressed. The Tricolor and Rumpwhite were just examples (Tricolor being a poor example, nonetheless).

I've run numerous virtual shows in the past so I'm well aware of what works and what doesn't. It probably would have been wise to set out the rules and guidelines, as well as dates, judges, etc. all before announcing to the public. Of course their will be questions when the details aren't spelled out. The ECMA was the first club in the world to offer a virtual mouse show and I created the entire system by trial and error so I was hoping to offer assistance, after some questions were answered.

Maybe I missed something, but how can asking which standards would be used possibly be considered nitpicking?
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It quite clearly states in my posts that I was asking for comments on my initial ideas. There is no way that I would not consult with everyone before finalising the details, so I respectfully disagree with you, it would not of been wise at all to just to do it without consultation. Failing to plan is planning to fail. A prime example is your post it self- without a consultation process I would not of had the benefit of the experience in your post. I take your comments as extremly constructive. i will be speaking to dom on some technical issues that I need to resolve, (lack of knowledge on my part) and whilst doing that will obtain world wide standards and go from there. Should be up and running soon.
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WNTMousery said:
Maybe I missed something, but how can asking which standards would be used possibly be considered nitpicking?
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WNT, you say you have run many virtual shows, why don't you put forward your ideas of how best to run a virtual show; surely with your level of experience you have loads to offer this thread. Instead you choose to just question, share your wisdom please.

'I'll be back' has asked at least twice in this thread for ideas to be put forward. My understanding is this is an intial 'brain storming' session with a view to developing a virtual contest (correct me someone if that assumption is wrong).

I don't think you have to worry about us English coming up with fair rules, we have been doing this mousey thing a while you know.

now everyone play nice!

:)
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Shiprat said:
WNT, you say you have run many virtual shows, why don't you put forward your ideas of how best to run a virtual show; surely with your level of experience you have loads to offer this thread. Instead you choose to just question, share your wisdom please.
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That was indeed the plan. I was hoping to get an idea of how a few key components would work, first, before offering suggestions. :)

As you'll notice, I did offer the advice about adjusting scores to reflect differences in colors via the computer. ;)

I have my papers that are used with each ECMA virtual show that I can email to anyone who is interested. They include start dates, times, rules, etc.

I'm not sure if the size of the mouse is an important factor for this show, however, a ruler in the photos would help with judging the size of the mouse. In the US we have such varying type and size, we wanted something in the photos that would help us gauge the size of the mouse. We chose to use a US Dollar, but obviously that would not work for an international show, hence the ruler idea.
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WNTMousery said:
In the US we have such varying type and size, we wanted something in the photos that would help us gauge the size of the mouse. We chose to use a US Dollar, but obviously that would not work for an international show, hence the ruler idea.
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Why not? You get a dollar everywhere on this planet, even in Germany :mrgreen: , and we would have something with a well defined colour, not interferring with the colour of the mouse, since there are not many green mice.
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