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Herefords with poor markings?

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I'm wondering if there is a specific look to herefords if they end up with poor markings. Are there any? :D

I was wondering if it was anything like banded, sometimes causing distinctly similar headspots and such?
I have some mice, that are 'broken marked', but I think that two of them (related) are poor bandeds with headspots, and that 4 or 5 of them (related, but not to the other two) look more like herefords, with a band trying to form.

I don't know, I guess I'l making connections and getting curious. :lol:
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I noticed that, but I thought I was just losing my mind,lol
Did you check under the couch cushion? When I lose my mind, that's usually where it is.
Can I just bump this. Ive got loads more of these non-hereford hereford-looking mice.
Sure can! I plan on getting some pictures of my new fuzzy boy. And he's a text book hereford, from non-hereford lines! He's from banded mice. He has white feet, white belly, white tail, and is black all over except for a teenie tiny spot on his butt.
I have just come across this and the post has called my name. We dont have Hereford mice in Australia although look a likes are out there for example AW Dahla when she was a baby

and I currently bred her to another simalar face marking buck and Dahlia had a marked black and white with a tan/white marked belly and the othere was a black headspot actually 3 one on his face one on neck and the other on her back also a berkshire belly white markings.(could also be a irish spotted).

I will get photos of everyone if interested. I am trying to breed the face markings like the hereford.

Some help would be awsome
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Well, a hereford mouse has a white face, white feet, a white tummy, and often a white tail. :)
So the 'berkshire' markings, makes it even more hereford-like! :D
The one with the marked belly has the headspots but not the face markings....... I need some help with working out who to breed the kids back to. I was told to breed the belly marked berkshire to a belly spot and minimal marked tailed boys???does that sound like a right Idea? or breed them back to the father because really neither did they get really the face markings I was looking for.
I've done some test breeding with my 'proper' hereford buck to an unmarked doe, which has so far produced 12 babies, 11 of which had hereford markings and one self (not even white hairs!). So I have to assume because of the self that my hereford buck is a heterozygous hereford and that hereford is dominant.

I read on this thread that crossing herefords to other lines is bad for the variety which has resulted in them being small, mine are not that small but they dont have the type, particularly the glossy sheen to their coats that other dark show types do. The out crossed babies look great and healthy, the face markings are not broad enough however my hereford x hereford babies have resulted in some babies with really too wide face markings some going down onto the shoulder.
Those are such beauties!

I wish I could get my paws on some!

half face... it better i link this here... ... a very special in a hereford litter...

LG Tipex
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As with many varieties, English fanciers, most of whom know next to nothing about genetics, have radically improved (through selection and good stockmanship) the Hereford in recent years. They now achieve decent size and type, and are even starting to win in the marked section at shows. They are not like Dutch in any way. Here is the standard as laid down by the NMC.
Eye colour to be as in standard variety. The body colour shall be that of any standardised colour. The face shall be white, extending to a V shape which terminates just beyond the line of the ears, the white going under the chin and be clean cut, but not extending down the throat. The ears and tail shall be of the standardised colour with the latter half of the tail being white. The belly shall have a uniform white marking, starting between the front legs and ending at the vent with the white not to extend up the sides of the body or down the legs. The feet shall be white. Any other markings on the top shall be considered a fault. The white areas shall be pure and devoid of any colour or staining. This is more inline with the breed of cattle and less like the self coloured mouse with a white face and feet. The belly mark is generally thought to be best as a rectangle shaped bar or line starting between the front legs and ending at the vent.....Phew, thought that was never gonna end!!. What a clumsily worded standard!
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Hi Seawatch stud....

So you have breeder in the NMC how have Hereford?.... And go to Show.? Have you a link to this breeders?.. oder Pic....
and this is good standard.... clear explain... lg tipex
the belly marks have you gat a pic from this explain?... I don't understand it...

I look that the belly don't have a lot of marks...
Because we dont have true hereford mice in Australia I am currently trying to start a program and breed some herefords.

At the moment they are mismarked and ramdonly seem to pop in marked litters you are lucky to get two in a litter. Tommorrow I will get a photo of the herefords I have. I currently have paired two females which are due to drop any day. 1xBlack less marked female with a belly spot and tail mark to a Hereford looking boy. and 2x hereford female to a less marked male belly and tail spot.

I am experimenting really.

I will take photos tomorow and you.
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