[Autumn2005]

I have no idea what colors these are, can anyone help? They're all BE and satin, I've had a few test breedings and still don't know!

In order from left to right is the original sire, his son and his daughter. The sire (Fitzwilliam) bred to a black satin produced one agouti, these two goldens, and one black.

Fitzwilliam bred to his daughter produced these... They are different sizes because the boys got fostered with different mothers, and some were better than others.

Silver boy and same silver with golden sister

Chocolate boy with golden boy and golden girl, all of them roan, which was a giant shock (haven't seen roan in my mice for like, 4 generations)!

The two golden girls that are most like their parents

One broken golden girl who is just a little lighter gold... I'm hoping she might be RY?

All the girls together

All the boys together

There was also a PEW baby that I culled, if that helps at all. If you know what these are, please, please help! Thanks!

 

[Rhasputin]

I definitely see RY, Dove, and Agouti. Maaaaybe champagne in there too.

 

[m137b]

In the first pic I'd say they're cinnamon, they appear ticked

 

[Rhasputin]

Oh right cinnamon, derp. I think I agree they look cinnamon, I completely forgot you mentioned there was chocolate in there!

 

[Autumn2005]

They can't be champagne or dove, they all have black eyes. So you think they're probably cinnamon?

 

[Rhasputin]

Theyn maybe they're blue and RY, and the adults are cinnamon.
It's so hard to tell on baby satins. . .

 

[moustress]

*squeel* What a lovely bunch of meeces!

I think the parents are cinnamon, but with some sort of dilution. Can you take a pic next to a dollar bill so one a can adjust one's monitor to get the right shade? It would appear that you have some silvering going on; I'm not sure if they are roan or not...roan starts out looking a bit silvered, then gets lighter with age, and the belly eventually turns white. The parents look like some of the satin agoutis I've had, only a bit lighter. I love the way the coat feathers into layers on the big boy in the first pic. Diluted agouti comes in so many variations, many of them describable only in the convoluted and complicated way. I love the variety in that litter of babies, though. They are very, very nice looking.

 

[Autumn2005]

What's the difference between silvering and roan?

 

[Autumn2005]

You asked for it--! Now you're going to "suffer" through more baby pics! :lol:

Actually, first here are dad pics, my original gold(cinnamon?) sire. Some are inside, some are outside.

Here are all the girls, in a variety of combinations.

Here are the boys, along with a non-satin older sister... If anyone has a color on her I'd appreciate!

Hope that wasn't too overwhelming!

 

[Stina]

I definitely see cinnamon...maybe yellow...I think probably also some sort of c-dilute

 

[moustress]

Yeah, they're cinnamon, a bit pale, but cinnamon. The babies colors are so varied that I hesitate to even try to name them.

For show purposes, a roan has a mix of a base color mixed with white, and a white belly. they start out looking silvered and the belly lightens to white over time, along with increased white on the back.

The British and European standard doesn't include the white belly, oddly.

Has the US standard changed as well?

 

[Autumn2005]

Is there a genetic difference between silver and roan, or is it just the way it looks? I used to be proud that my mice had such a broad genepool... until I started to narrow down my breeding focus and get 12 babies with 12 different colors... Now I'm in the process of trying to narrow down my genepool and get rid of those random dilutes and recessives and whatnot that pop up. Allonzy!

 

[Autumn2005]

I don't think there can be any blue base in there... If the parents are both cinnamon, they should be A* bb D*, right? I'm not even counting wacky c-dilutes right now. But aren't blues B* dd? Maybe the silver I'm guessing at is A* bb dd? I wish I had the space to keep every single mystery color and breed them all! :lol:

 

[moustress]

The are two distinct genes for each. Rn is dominant. Silvering is si.

 

[Autumn2005]

Ah, thanks. I'm not sure what I had in the past, I remember white bellies, but I'm pretty sure most of my roan/silvered were really poor tans as well. Since roan is dom, this must be the silvering showing up again. Interesting.