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I'm just interested how people got from me saying the nmc needs to modernise, to the standards of mice to be shown? I mean i didnt say anything about pet type mice or show standards at all in my post, and yet somehow it got to that. I'm all for keeping the high standards for the show types its the reason i got myself show stock not to mension they are gorg.. what i wanted to highlight was the fact that alot of the older members are scared to death of computers.. i dont know if they saw some freaky film or something where the evil computer took over the world or something but as society has shown us the computer is the way forward. I hear that some of you love the mag delivered to your door every month and i respect your opinion... I'd also like to state mine that i'd love to see a online copy of the mag or as an email newsletter. One because it seems a waste of paper to me (please note opinion) as i'm the sort that stops all paper bills coming to my home and the like... and secondly the cost of publication could be reduced ten fold and thirdly A newsletter / online mag could be updated more regularly. I'm not saying bin the mag to the door as that would be silly as those with no computer and those that like it in that form should be able to still get it i am saying i'd like the other opinion too... i maybe the only person who thinks this but i've said it anyway. When i attended my first show i was greeted kindly by the members who where there, the member who i got my stock off even said to me he doesn't do computers and said he was a dinosaur :), i also had another member after the show stating that you learn nothing from a computer/ on a forum that this was where you learn't about mouse breeding and showing. Which to be honest isnt true the computer is a valuable resource if it wasnt for my computer i wouldnt of found my perfect stock nor would i have even known about the Nmc and the show's that are held. Anyway if i've offended anyone i'm sorry it wasnt my intension, nor was it my intension to bring the thread to types of mice thats not the issue i was trying to bring up :)
Kim
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I think you're taking it a bit personally sweetie, the thread just evolved naturally. No-one's having a go at you :)

Sarah xxx
I'm not offended,I like a bit of debate else life would be dull.I still go back to the point that it isn't the actual computer but the 'fluffy pet people' it might attract that puts people against it.People, rightly or wrongly perceived as the wrong sort to take the mouse club forward .You've formed an opinion after going to one or maybe two shows.I've got a foot in both camps.I enjoy this forum and talking mouse with people who keep them for whatever reason.If we were at a show we could have congregated over a drink and debated to our hearts content with out upset,it is a draw back of forums that offence is easily given/taken.Any how,when at a show we usually go to the pub at lunch with Mick and Joe to have a friendly debate and you're welcome to come and join in the mouse talk.
This has come up so many times in the NMC, and all other small livestock clubs.The need to have computer based advertising/contact is vital. As In every other small livestock club there is a fair porportion of old members who are resistant to change, I personally will enjoy my NMC news dropping through the letter box, but if it were available on line as well what difference would that make to me ? The NMC has always been perilously close to extinction, if we are ever to get away from the 200 member mark there is only one way forward. When a person joins the mouse fancy, its at the very start that they have a great thirst for knowledge but the least amount of contacts. This Forum fills the gap. It could greatly increase the numbers in the nmc.
You guys will like the article Ive put in next months magazine(which i wouldnt give up). The irony is it will start a debate that will take six months to deal with, which we could(and have) had in a few days!.
I'm looking forward to reading it, Phil.

Whilst on the subject of NMC members versus the internet, my internet use has nothing to do with my mice or my breeding ethics, or even showing. It's simply that I'm 26 years old and have grown up in a world that is completely computer based and I happen to feel much more comfortable sending an email or posting on a forum than I do randomly phoning up some stranger. I've interrupted several fanciers by phoning them while they were having their tea or watching the world cup.

It makes me sad to keep seeing the snide jibes in the NMC Magazine, as if using computers makes people lesser breeders/exhibitors. It's what people are saying that counts, not where they're saying it!

Gosh, that turned out a bit ranty! I swear, that all sounded calm and reasonable in my head :lol:

Sarah xxx
AMEN Sarah!!!

And no offense (Because it happens to everyone) but one day those members that are staunchy again computers/emails/forums will be dead, and then something will have to be done. If clubs like the NMC are still to exist in 20 or 30 years, change needs to happen.

New members are essential to any club, and reaching out to the younger generations is very much needed. And the younger generation are computer minded.

W xx
WillowDragon said:
AMEN Sarah!!

New members are essential to any club, and reaching out to the younger generations is very much needed. And the younger generation are computer minded.

W xx
that's true but one of the gripes is that all those younger,newer members who are shouting the loudest are not doing the work and while channeling all their energies into a non club forum are letting the club whose opinion counts and it's spokes piece die.Whose going to do all the internet work.Volunteers are thin on the ground in general.I've spoken out in favor of the net,Dave S. has made a small reply in the negative and Phil is going to make a big reply in the negative and what are all you younger,newer members doing to get your opinion across where it counts.Nothing.As usual the magazine will have contributions from the few.Thank god for David M,he's never missed a month.
that's my sermon
p.s any member who wants the editors email to submit a piece can pm me with pleasure
I hear you sarahC your right unless some of us younger members step up and try to help too, the point is going to go around in circles. I have a few friends in web design i'm going to go have a chat with and i'll talk to them about how hard it would be to do something like an online mag and site and stuff in gen... once i know more i'll get in touch with the people in the club that its up too how the club thing goes.
I have a copy of Phils letter going to the higest bidder!!

I totally agree with whats being said, the club needs to move with the times and not be scared of what the future holds. Internet has so far been the greatest inention in the history of mankind. 10 years ago no one knew about the internet whereas these days every home has access to it. Internet was mainly introduced for communication but there's more to it than e-mails, web sites and delightful forums such as this one.

I think internet is the most important invention of all times because it enables you to chat with another person from various parts of this planet. It brings the whole world under one roof.
Apart from being highly advanced in terms of communication, it's a place for business transactions, services like online banking, job seeking, shopping and also a very good source of entertainment. It's also a fountain of information, everything you need to know can be found through search engines like google and yahoo saving you time from going through encyclopedias and libraries lets hope our "oldies" see it that way and move along with them times like us

Kim i agree and disagree, you can only do so much reserch on the internet when it comes to breeding and exhibiting mice, first hand up close and personal at shows is def the best way about it. But the bases the drive and passion can all come from sitting in your Pj's on the sofa typing away on your laptop, thats certainly where mine comes from.

SarahY, me too being 24 your used to being around computers. Your taught how to work on in school and it becomes second nature to us. And as you said you dont have to worry about interupting someone because they check there emails when they are free...

The Internet is fantastic we all know that and when not at a show its the only place you can really get right into mouse talk but i dont want to forget the old times, what made the show's what they are the newsletter has always been what it is and any change i think i would be disraught. What i certainly would like to see if, as already meantioned, the club taking subcriptions Via paypal and to just not be afired of the internet.

I think they just no there time holding the reins is coming to a end....
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I've spoken out in favor of the net,Dave S. has made a small reply in the negative and Phil is going to make a big reply in the negative and what are all you younger,newer members doing to get your opinion across where it counts.Nothing.As usual the magazine will have contributions from the few.
I'm going to be completely honest. I am a newcomer to the fancy and as such I don't want to write into the magazine on this subject because I'd be afraid of the backlash! I don't feel anywhere near confident enough to voice my opinion in the NMC magazine, and why on Earth would I? What encouragement has been given except for a telling off every month? The problem is not that ' the younger members aren't doing enough', the problem is that most of the members aren't doing enough. There are many, many older fanciers who I have never seen write for the magazine, it seems to be the same handful of dedicated people.

I try my best to spread the word about the hobby and encourage people with my own experiences as a new fancier, what else can I do? I couldn't write anything that would be of interest to the experienced fancier. But ask me if I'd help out in the kitchen, or writing out show certificates, or something else I can actually do and I would be thrilled to help out.

Sarah xxx
I don't contribute to the NMC Mag because I am not a member... if non members can contribute pictures and such, please let me know! I doubt they can though.

I have contributed to the LSC's newsletter,I have helped set up and clean up afterwards, I have bought food for the kitchen, I have bought mice is auction classes and I always give ALOT more than what my entry fee's are for my club and now I have also stewarded. I like to think I am supportive of the club that keeps my hobby going.
And to bring this full circle... despite the fact that I don't show at NMC shows, if they had membership and Mag fee's payable online, I would probably join anyway!!!

So honestly, they are losing out on at least my money by not dragging their asses on the internet!!

W xx
I will post a copy of my article AFTER its been published in the mag. I want to get something straight. This is not about us and them, there is only us!. I like mice, I enjoy showing mice but I love the MNC and want whats best for it. The last thing we need at this point is newbies venting off in the mag(no offence), that would be disastrous right now. That does not mean articles from newbies wouldnt be welcome,of course they would, the more the better. The fact is Sarah C and myself have a proven track record and are known supporters and promoters of the club, what we say cant just be dismissed. This will be a slow process but we will drag the NMC kicking and screaming into the present day. We all need to be on the same page. I am going to write a more positive article on setting up and running shows, you guys should also write in but try to be positive and make yourselves known. The "older" fanciers are not the enemy we/you owe them a huge debt of thanks for providing us with such a brilliant club to be a part of.
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Can we start it by having a paypal option for the membership? Thats not so scary is it??

I don't want to change the club, I don't want to change the standards, I don't even want to change the magazine!! I just want the way I can access the club to be changed!!

Thank you, that is all... hehehe

W xx
SarahY said:
The problem is not that ' the younger members aren't doing enough', the problem is that most of the members aren't doing enough. There are many, many older fanciers who I have never seen write for the magazine, it seems to be the same handful of dedicated people.

Sarah xxx
That's true but it hasn't always been like that and the general opinion is that forums such as this are bleeding the life out of the club magazine and it's the younger members that are keener on the internet.To have an online magazine some one will have to do the work.Another stumbling block,one of many granted.Lots of the older folk have done their bit .Newer exhibitors can write things of interest to other starters or even just submit pictures.I'm not being personal to anyone but no one in the club is going to be taking note of your opinions on here so it's all a bit pointless.My own opinion is that the club should cherry pick and embrace the best of the internet.I did have a bit of a laugh to myself while feeding the mice about how ludicrous it would be to an outsider that a group of strangers could fall out about mice on a forum,so I hope you'll all take things from me at least in good humour.It's bad enough telling people you show mice .
no one in the club is going to be taking note of your opinions on here so it's all a bit pointless
Ermm... out of the people that have been taking part in this discussion, i'm the only one that is not a member. Maybe that should have been worded 'Nobody important is taking any notice of you!' hehee

Don't worry Sarah, I love things like this... I do love a good debate.

Forums may be bleeding the life out of the magazine, which is very sad, granted. But then WHY don't the NMC start there own forum??? Some people may get angry, and perhaps even leave the club (I would hope not) but surely more members and interest would be generated in an online forum.

Where is the NMC's advertising??? I am willing to bet there are several breeders of mice in this country that don't even know about the NMC... I have been breeding mice on and off for 12 years and didn't know about the club until I joined THIS forum.

W xx
I don't think there will ever be a forum because of the problems of policing it and making sure that the over all impression is one that the club would want projected.
I'm with you on the advertising,in fact I first joined the London club not the NMC because that's what I came across on the internet and it was also my first showing experience with my one and only mouse.
WillowDragon said:
no one in the club is going to be taking note of your opinions on here so it's all a bit pointless
Ermm... out of the people that have been taking part in this discussion, i'm the only one that is not a member. Maybe that should have been worded 'Nobody important is taking any notice of you!' hehee
W xx
Absolutely.I tell you one thing,forums suck up your time.I'm behind on everything,so I'm off.
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