Confused by Agouti!
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A/* p/p is an argente who is also champagne (another way to say this is a cinnamon who is also pink-eyed). They usually manifest as a light argente. The difference between this variety and "regular" argente doesn't seem very great and there is overlap so you may not necessarily know which you're dealing with. A lot of the argentes who come from fawn are actually pink-eyed cinnamons because red (from which fawn is derived) is so often chocolate or cinnamon "unerneath."
I don't know if they're standardized with the NMC, but they're not with the ECMA.
Interestingly, because b/b lightens not only the fur but also the eyes--just a smidgen--it is also possible to have a cinnamon mouse (A/* b/b) whose eyes are brown, not black. I've had a few of these over the years. Cameras seem to make them look red, but in life they're clearly not red, and clearly not black--they're brown!
I don't know if they're standardized with the NMC, but they're not with the ECMA.
Interestingly, because b/b lightens not only the fur but also the eyes--just a smidgen--it is also possible to have a cinnamon mouse (A/* b/b) whose eyes are brown, not black. I've had a few of these over the years. Cameras seem to make them look red, but in life they're clearly not red, and clearly not black--they're brown!
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Hehe..you're very welcome! 
I have some pictures of mice who were A/a b/b p/p, but they were also umbrous so it kind of throws their color off a bit. If I can find them I'll post them!
I have some pictures of mice who were A/a b/b p/p, but they were also umbrous so it kind of throws their color off a bit. If I can find them I'll post them!
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I had some pink eyed cinnamons/champagne agouti/chocolate argente (A* bb pp) and they were a beautiful bright gold. They have a champagne undercoat, not dove, instead of blue tipped with gold as with normal argente, each hair is champagne tipped with gold.
They were extremely pretty
Sarah xxx
They were extremely pretty
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In all the pictures I've found, they don't look all that different from regular argente.
And actually, now that I think about it--I guess that's probably why they're not standardized/recognized!
And actually, now that I think about it--I guess that's probably why they're not standardized/recognized!
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Well they could be just as good I think, but I don't know.
This mouse is WNT Langlia, a cinnamon argente (A/* b/b p/p) bred by Jenny and owned by Kadee (TREK) as a pet. As you can see, she is also umbrous (gray stripe down her back), which is a huge fault, so Kadee has her as a pet only.
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By comparison, here is a regular argente I bred:
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There's really not that much difference in color...
This mouse is WNT Langlia, a cinnamon argente (A/* b/b p/p) bred by Jenny and owned by Kadee (TREK) as a pet. As you can see, she is also umbrous (gray stripe down her back), which is a huge fault, so Kadee has her as a pet only.
By comparison, here is a regular argente I bred:
There's really not that much difference in color...
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Umbrous is a a dominant allele which causes a dark spine. You usually see it on sable. It also shows up on agouti-based varieties (agouti, argente, cinnamon) where it is a fault. It doesn't show up on most self varieties, and even on agouti, argente, and cinnamon it's dominance is modified by homozygosity of the A-locus (which is to say that a mouse who is A/A U/* or a/a U/* won't have a stripe or won't have as dark a stripe as one who is A/a U/*), so you don't always see it. Mice in the same litter can be umbrous and only those who are heterozygous on the A locus (A/a U/*) will show umbrous. Once it's present it's very hard to get rid of!
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You're very welcome!
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