so ive bee ready, a freind has translate for me *uff*
I´ve been asking myself, what you all do with the male
I think that to keep them alone is cruelty to the animals, and keeping them in groups doesn´t work out good in the long run. Thats why I don´t make any illusion, the bucks are taken away with 3 to 5 days if there is no interest from other breeders for a breeding buck....in this way there is more milk for the females, and because they don´t have to fight for milk, they grow bigger and stronger..
The mother is relieved, that she only has to raise 4 babies instead of 10, in this way she can have maybe an other litter, and has more strenghs to raise them..
She isn´t so haggard and more relaxed.
The Bucks are being fed as pinkies, but properly pre killed, so they don´t get eaten alive....Pinkies can hold up to 20min there breath, and it happened that you could still hear them squeeking inside the snake. Something that is unimaginable for me and thats why it is cruel to freeze Pinkies too, because they take long to freeze to death.
When you breed for shows, you have to select or you might never get near your breeding goal.
What to do with these selected animals is something leaved to the breeder, me for myself, I rather sell the females as pets or keep them myself, than to use them as food for the snakes.
What I would NEVER do is to sell my with love raised mice to a pet shop. Who knows where they would end up then?
That is someting I can´t face a charge for and people who do it are just tring to get out of the responsability of the animal, the responsability to find a good home for the animal!
I carry the responsability for the animal, and it leaves me, they go as Snake food (like 90% of my mice), and than only to people I know, and know that they really feed them to snakes and not somebody who tries to breed with them without knowledge, or to privat persons as pets, where I can control were they are suppose to live (like telefon with them, and let them send me pictures of there cages). In other cases I give them away to other breeders, but only if I think the animals are good for breeding and only to breeders who keep them in roomy cages like me, and who keep and breed them under the same conditions like me.
As breeder you have much more responability, than a pet owner who just had accidentally a litter....to explain to people how to keep the mice correct, working together with snake keepers, that a pet shop mouse for just 0,15 Euro can´t be a well balanced fed and healthy mouse and so on. A breeder has a wide spread dutyand to sell them to a petshop, because I could´nt be consistent enough to feed them to a snake or sell them as snake food, is not acceptable to me.
For that I would see my babies sitting in animal shelters, with 2-3 litters, because a child was overextended because she got are pair of mice being sold to her in a pet shop. Besides that the bucks are being held and sold as snake food!
To be a breeder means o be consistent. When I see the trend goes to like taht when 100 mouse being sold in a pet shop, only 3 might have the luck to get a good and species-appropriate home, is the alternative for that to feed them rather to snakes.
Better a quick and easy death in my hands than a long and painfull life (death) of a stranger.
It is my liability as a breeder.
Greetings, viv
I´ve been asking myself, what you all do with the male
I think that to keep them alone is cruelty to the animals, and keeping them in groups doesn´t work out good in the long run. Thats why I don´t make any illusion, the bucks are taken away with 3 to 5 days if there is no interest from other breeders for a breeding buck....in this way there is more milk for the females, and because they don´t have to fight for milk, they grow bigger and stronger..
The mother is relieved, that she only has to raise 4 babies instead of 10, in this way she can have maybe an other litter, and has more strenghs to raise them..
She isn´t so haggard and more relaxed.
The Bucks are being fed as pinkies, but properly pre killed, so they don´t get eaten alive....Pinkies can hold up to 20min there breath, and it happened that you could still hear them squeeking inside the snake. Something that is unimaginable for me and thats why it is cruel to freeze Pinkies too, because they take long to freeze to death.
When you breed for shows, you have to select or you might never get near your breeding goal.
What to do with these selected animals is something leaved to the breeder, me for myself, I rather sell the females as pets or keep them myself, than to use them as food for the snakes.
What I would NEVER do is to sell my with love raised mice to a pet shop. Who knows where they would end up then?
That is someting I can´t face a charge for and people who do it are just tring to get out of the responsability of the animal, the responsability to find a good home for the animal!
I carry the responsability for the animal, and it leaves me, they go as Snake food (like 90% of my mice), and than only to people I know, and know that they really feed them to snakes and not somebody who tries to breed with them without knowledge, or to privat persons as pets, where I can control were they are suppose to live (like telefon with them, and let them send me pictures of there cages). In other cases I give them away to other breeders, but only if I think the animals are good for breeding and only to breeders who keep them in roomy cages like me, and who keep and breed them under the same conditions like me.
As breeder you have much more responability, than a pet owner who just had accidentally a litter....to explain to people how to keep the mice correct, working together with snake keepers, that a pet shop mouse for just 0,15 Euro can´t be a well balanced fed and healthy mouse and so on. A breeder has a wide spread dutyand to sell them to a petshop, because I could´nt be consistent enough to feed them to a snake or sell them as snake food, is not acceptable to me.
For that I would see my babies sitting in animal shelters, with 2-3 litters, because a child was overextended because she got are pair of mice being sold to her in a pet shop. Besides that the bucks are being held and sold as snake food!
To be a breeder means o be consistent. When I see the trend goes to like taht when 100 mouse being sold in a pet shop, only 3 might have the luck to get a good and species-appropriate home, is the alternative for that to feed them rather to snakes.
Better a quick and easy death in my hands than a long and painfull life (death) of a stranger.
It is my liability as a breeder.
Greetings, viv
If my mice didnt sell and I had time to take them to the pet shop before they got to old then I would take them, if I didnt I'd be over run with mice and my hubby would be not too pleased with me :lol:
