[jadeguppy]

I like the black fox and tricolors, especially if they are satins. What do I need to look for to get that coloration? Pickings are very poor in my area and I want to stream line my effort as much as possible. fwiw NW FLorida region

 

[Laigaie]

For black foxes, your best bet, obviously, is to find two or three. If only, right? Still, have you checked out FinnMouse's site? It has fantastic info on genetics, and the author explains it in really easy-to-understand terms.
The basic site is here: http://www.hiiret.fi/eng/breeding/varieties/index.html
It describes all the colors, coat types, and varieties in great detail, and gives you a bit of the basics on the genetics for those.
The genetics heavy site is here: http://www.hiiret.fi/eng/breeding/genetics/index.html
For some reason, it's not linked properly within the site, but it goes into much greater detail, so you can figure out whether what you're finding in the petstores will help you build a black fox satin, or a satin tricolor. Tricolors are particularly complicated!

 

[jadeguppy]

No, I had not been able to find the geetics information. This will be a great read. Thank you for the help!

 

[jadeguppy]

Here is the satin boy I found:

Can anyone tell me what he is called and what his genetics may look like?

 

[Laigaie]

Well, being satin, you know he's sa/sa, since satin is recessive. He's also spotted, so he's s/s, as that's also recessive. He's a lovely shade of orange, which in the US _probably_ means he's an undermarked brindle, Avy/*. Do you see any brown spotting, striping or smuding in his orange bits? They're quite firey and nice! There's a small chance he's recessive yellow, as that causes that coloring as well, but as common as the undermarked brindles are, it's your best bet. You could call him a satin pied undermarked brindle or simply satin pied fawn (pink-eyed red).

edit: whoops, forgot a v there

 

[moustress]

He's satin long haired pied fawn; most likely recessive yellow; it's unlikely you got an unmarked or undermarked brindle with such nice bright orange. You can tell by parting the hairs and seeing if there's any dark marking near the skin. Fatal yellow (A^y) is uncommon in the US. I 'd sketch it in as ee (recessive yellow) sasa (satin) pp (red eyes) and I forget the letters for long hair. The other genes are unknown as the yellow trumps everything else.

I want this mouse! *whine*

 

[Laigaie]

There are several genes for long hair, but lgh is one of them. It really is such a fiery orange! And here I just assumed it was brightened by satin. I should know better; satinization always darkens my mouses. Still, grats on that mouse!

 

[jadeguppy]

Thanks so much! I found him in a breeder tank at the mom and pop pet store near my house. They breed some to supplement for their feeders. I just got back from another trip over there and they are full of pinkies. They have a really nice white with black spots that is satin, but it is another boy. I told her that if my standard white and black female isn't pregnant, I want to borrow him for a few days.

I'm so glad you all like him. I fell in love with his colors when I saw him. I can't wait to see what type of babies he has. Any suggestions as to what I should look into breeding him with? I wonder what colors him and my black and white doe would produce? I also have a brindle(I think) spotted female standard. It seems all the really nice ones they have at the shop are either about to explode with babies or are male. I couldn't talk them into sellng me the really pregnant female. She looked a mix of two colors throughout the coat, satin, and had a part in her hair down the middle of her back. Maybe I'll try "make a deal" with them later today....

 

[moustress]

Since he's a pet store mousie, and you want healthy babies, I recommend breeding him to a standard mousie. If that doe is recessive yellow you'll get all recessive yellow. If she carries RY you'd get about half recessive yellow. If he turns out to be unmarked brindled after all, you may get brindled. It would be Avy, thought, not Ay, almost certainly. If the doe doesn't carry RY, you'd get any of a number of things.

This is the way it goes with meeces bought from a pet store. It's a process of discovery, and it can be fun, frustrating, and very instructive.

If I knew where you lived, I'd be hitting the same stores...dang!! Just checked in newposts and saw your intro post. *sulk* :|

 

[jadeguppy]

I got him up on the database. Where do you post the genetics on the site?
Is this the correct order and method for writing it?
e/e; sa/sa; s/s; p/p; lgh

I gotta say I'm thrilled to have gotten my hands on so many recessive traits. I tried parting the hair, but didn't see any difference in skin color. There is one or two tiny spots that looked shaded, but I can't tell if the hair is two different colors or it is just the poor lighting in here.

Here he is on the database:
http://www.mouserydatabase.com/mousery. ... ouse=18389

 

[jadeguppy]

Here is my other male, Jerry. Lets see if I'm correct.. piebald (ca/ca) standard coat, unknown if recessive carrier (S/*), brindle (too many codes for me to know which one), black eyes, (don't see code). I have a nearly identicle female that has slightly smaller white spots. What am I wrong on and what am I missing? Also, is he useable to get a tricolor?

 

[Laigaie]

Piebald is s/s. ca/ca is for caracal, I think? Anyway, think of s/s as spotted. Brindle is the Avy/*. Mousetress I think has some brindle-based tricolors? Ask her. Black eyes simply means you don't have the pink-eye gene.

To edit the genetics listed on mousery databse, open up the mouse's page while you're logged in, and edit the mouse. On the edit screen, there's a button for edit genetics.