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So please be mature here. I am well aware that these photos may be disturbing to some viewers. :)
With that aside.

These were taken to assist people in autopsying their own mice. Some people may be interested in doing this, but not know how, or think that it would be too gross to try. Well, you can at least look here, and learn some things about it, before you try.

This is a very simple thing that you can do at home. Taking a mouse to the vet for a necropsy can cost hundreds, or thousands of dollars. Some things, you should check with your vet about, but for most things like cancer, ulcers, cysts, internal bleeding, megacolon, etc, there are obvious signs of the problem inside the mouse.

THIS MOUSE WAS NOT KILLED JUST FOR THIS TUTORIAL.
It was culled, because it was growing obese (from a brindle line) and I found it necessary. Fortunately, he is now giving back to the mousing community, by helping with this guide.

Now, without further ado, here are the tools you will need to begin this proceedure:

You will need an exacto knife. I find that the ones with the sharp, triangle point are the best, because you can use the tiny tip, which helps on such a small animal.


You will need pins. I like T-pins because it makes them easy to press down, and they are cheap. Thumb tacks work, as well as most any type of sewing pins.


You will of course need, your mouse in question. If it was in the freezer, let it thaw for a few hours, until there are no more cold spots. But not too long, or the insides will start to spoil.


You will also need a small piece of cardboard, to pin your mouse down to later. I didn't take a picture of this, you all know what cardboard looks like, don't you!? :p
YOU SHOULD ALSO WEAR GLOVES DURING THIS PROCEDURE. FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY!

STEP 1
Place your mouse on it's back, on the cardboard piece you have chosen. Carefully pinch the skin up on the mouse's chest (at the red dot) and with your other hand, work the tip of your blade CAREFULLY beneath the skin, and begin CAREFULLY cutting downwards, with your blade facing UP. You do not want to puncture the abdominal cavity at this point. If the mouse is a male (like this one), you can cut slightly off center to avoid his penis and testicles, and cut nearly all the way to his anus. Once you've gone that far down, carefully slice the skin from the initial incision, up to the throat.


STEP 2
Your mouse should now look like this (minus the red arrows :p ):

Carefully grasp the skin by the points indicated by red dots, and peel it away from the mouse's carcass. It should peel back very easily. You CAN use your blade for this, but you may end up cutting through the skin, if you are not skilled in this.

STEP 3
Your mouse should now look like this:

Carefully pull the skin away from the body, and tack it to the cardboard at four points, making it into a neat square, or rectangle.

STEP4
Your mouse should now look like this:

If anything about this would be hard, this would be it. The blade you are using MUST be extremely sharp, or you will end up puncturing something you don't want to. If you are using an exacto knife with an old blade, now would be the time to get a new one. CAREFULLY cut the membrane on the breast bone, and continue downwards (pinching the membrane between your fingers, helps keep it tight and away from the internal organs) until you reach the mouse's anus. Then, carefully cut the membrane down the sides (where the lines indicate) and peel it away from the guts.

STEP 5
Your mouse should now look like this:

Here you can see most of the organs. Things like the heart and lungs are up inside the chest cavity, so if you need to check them, just carefully pull out the other organs. One by one is usually best, so as not to get everything messy. The kidneys are under a few things, but are very recognizable. This is a male mouse, so you can see his testicles near the bottom.
I'm not going to go into more detail, and take out each organ at the moment. This is just to help people get started. If you were looking for a cancer, it should be easy to find.

This mouse suffered from obesity. After I did the autopsy, I fully skinned him, and took the fat off of the carcass, for reference. This mouse was pretty large, and it only took the small amount of fat you see here, to cause his problems:

It helps put things into perspective. You'd figure there would be more fat, but no. :p

If you do an autopsy, and find something that you think is abnormal, but cannot identify, feel free to post a photo here, and we will try to help you find out what was wrong. If we cannot help you, the best thing to do would be to freeze the specimen that you found, and give it to your vet for a better diagnosis.

I hope this can be beneficial to people, and educational. I know, it's not pretty, but it's life, it's science, and it can help you to better understand problems when they arise in your other, living mice.

Thanks. I hope this helps you.
 

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Thankyou for this really informative tutorial. I know some of the pics are a bit ewwwie but this is a facinating subject. I hope i don't have the need at some point to do this, but if I do I feel better knowing i can refer to your post.
Thanks :|
 

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Yes. It's a touchy subject, but I think that the educational value of this, far outweighs the ew factor. :p

This will especially help, I think, people who have wanted to do autopsies, but have been too squeamish to try. Seeing it first, often can help people get over the heebie-jeebies of thinking about it. :)
 

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This is FASINATING!! It may sound naive, but I didn't realise the skin would just peel away like that!!

I was so amazed, I showed the pictures to my partner... who isn't quite so impressed as me! :lol: :lol:

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SarahY - Thank you. I'm glad it's going over well.
I know there are some forums that wouldn't even allow talk of autopsying a mouse, so I was hoping that this would go over well, and that people would take it for what it is, educational and valuable information.

Willow - Yes, the skin peels away very easily! you hardly need to pull it at all. :)
There are certain areas such as behind the back legs, in the arm pits, and on the back of the head around the ears, that do need cutting for proper skin removal. I took the skin completely off, after this and am doing a very simple preservation method on him for future reference.
 

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Would there be much more blood if the mouse was fresh rather than frozen and thawed? Because that would be the only thing that would make me uneasy...

I had a pregnant female die on me unexpectedly last week, she's gone now so I can't autopsy, but it would have been interesting to see if I could see what went wrong inside, see if maybe there was a problem with the pregnancy...

Maybe i'll be brave enough to do it in the future...

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Willow - Nope. Blood really isn't a problem, unless you cut into the organs. Even then, there is very little blood.
I could imagine that, if you were to cut into the uterus of a female, there would be a bit of blood inside each of the sacs holding the babies, but other than that, the uterus itself should open up without any real blood spilling.

SarahY - Yes, I am! :p
It's very simple to do on a mouse, since there is such a small amount of flesh. It litterally takes about 5 minutes of work (after you get the skin off), about ten minutes of soaking in alcohol, and about a day of drying flat in salt. I intend to eventually have a small library of skins, of varying colours, for reference. . . Some may find it creepy, but I think it's very educational! I have several mice freeze dried as well.
 

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Another note! THIS INFORMATION INCLUDING THE PICTURES, ARE FREE TO USE, AND SHARE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES! :)

Feel free to post these on other sites that you feel could benefit from the information. Feel free to link to this page, or send other people this information if you think they can benefit from it!
 

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Willow - In the last picture, you can see a little bit of blood, in the top left corner of the cardboard. That is the MOST BLOOD I've ever seen come out of a mouse, and it was only because I had gone exploring in the chest cavity, and actually pulled out the heart, and lungs, because I had never really looked at them. That seems to be the bloodiest area, and you can see, that it's really not very bad. :p
 

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that was excellent .I've looked inside a couple and not known whats killed them so I'll put it to you.Both females,both looked massively pregnant but no babies arrived and then the adults became hunched and cold to the touch.Beyond help so they were culled.When opened the intestines were empty of matter but blown up large and taught like over stretched balloons,no babies it was the intestines that made them huge.Any ideas what would cause such a massive amount of presumably air to occur in there.Both cases happened independently.
 

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I did an autopsy on a female shortly after she was culled. She was hunched up and had eaten her whole litter. i guessed that she hadn't delivered propperly, and I was so right! O:
I found a mutated and over sized pup inside her uterous (it wasn't any part of her digestive system, i've done autopsies before)
Wish that i took pictures, it was truely interesting! It's lower mandable stuck out further than the top like on skimmer birds
 

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SarahC - That sounds like Mega colon to me. There's really nothing you can do to fix it, and it can be inherited, so watch out for it if you have any of that mouse's relatives in your lines.

I'd love to have a picture of an autopsied mouse with mega colon, for people to see. I think that would be very helpful.

The Secret Garden - Actually, it does smell a bit. It's a strange smell, one that you have probably never smelled before. But it's not very strong. It smells like metal. Anyone that has ever skinned a deer, or a rabbit, or something after hunting, would probably recognize the smell. It's really not very strong -at all-, but if if bothers you, a simple paper mask would cover it up. :)
 

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As for that tutorial on skin preserving, I think they've added too many steps, and done a few backwards, trying to tan the skin without actually buying tanning chemicals.
Tanning, is a VERY precise, and VERY delicate process, which cannot be done with simple house hold materials.
I do have tanning chemicals, but using them on one mouse would be virtually useless.

For just preservation, I soak them in alcohol, and dry them in salt. It keeps them from rotting, but they are a bit stiff. :p
 
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