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 Post subject: Hairless? Grooming? What's going on?!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:17 pm 
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I have two litters born 14 and 15 days ago. The mothers are sisters and the father is their brother.
Two days ago I saw one of the kits had very thin hair around the eyes, but I didn't think much about it. I just thought it was one of the mothers grooming it a little too much. Yesterday I didn't really look at them, but today I saw that 6/10 kits are showing hairloss and it has gotten worse! The legs and tail are almost bald and there is little hair around the eyes and nose. WTF?!
Did I bring out a recessive hairless gene, is it the mother(s) grooming some of them in a very weird way or is it something else? I really really don't want hairless mice :?

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 Post subject: Re: Hairless? Grooming? What's going on?!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:24 pm 
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I don't own hairless, but I'm pretty sure that's what you have. The age looks right, the thinning around the eyes, and the raised "sleeves" on the front legs.

Looking here might help.
https://www.fancymicebreeders.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=9966&hilit=show+girls


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Those definitely look like hairless, which means your parents are carriers. A good thing to know about your lines! If you're not a fan of hairless, they're certainly not common, so I'm sure you'll find someone who'll happily take them off your hands.


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Yuppers, that looks like hairless babies all right!

As far as I know, True Hairless(recessive hairless) only exists in the US and even here's it's new, so that's quite a hidden treasure you've got there! Congrats!


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I wouldnt want them myself honestly... but I would be sure to give them to someone who will appreciate them! hehee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Thank you. That's really not what I was hoping to hear. If they are hairless, that means most of my blacks and blues are potential carriers. I already have chocolate in that line, I don't need another unwanted recessive :(
I read somewhere on here, that hr/hr don't have skin pigment. Do they ever have pigmented skin, or do they lose it? I just realized that mine seem to be losing pigment, because they were dark skinned before getting their fur :? I didn't even notice it until now, because I've been busy staring at the freaky hairloss.

I already have a fellow danish breeder ready to adopt them, if they are hairless.
Of course I will have to keep one or two for testmatings, so I can get rid of it ASAP *sigh*


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Yes, they lose their pigment. They'll keep a little pigment on their ears and tail though.

If you keep one, keep a male. The females have a hard time lactating.


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Def look hairless to me. They will lose most of the pigment on their bodies, but keep it on their ears and tail (and it will stay fairly dark). The one female doe that I have bred so far didn't have any trouble lactating....they CAN...but not all of them do.


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Look hairless to me.
Wish I lived there, i would take them in a heartbeat!


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love2read and Stina > Thank you for the info.
I wonder where the gene came from. The male who I'm almost certain must have passed it on, has the longest pedigree of all my mice and there's no hairless to find there :?

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